Jack the Grabber

Hallo Leute,

Nach ca. 12 Min. bricht meine Aufnahme ab mit dem Hinweis 'Empfange keine Daten mehr, Aufnahme abgebrochen'.
Ich weis nicht was bei mir falsch läuft. Meine LOG Files sehen immer gleich aus.
Was stimmt bei mir nicht? wer kann mir weiter helfen?


Erstellt am: 16.01.2004 19:10
Timer Aufnahme
Kanal=RTL Television
Sendung=Explosiv - Das Magazin
Start=16.01.2004 19:09:00
Ende=19:40
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16.01.2004 19:10:44: Aufnahme Event:
16.01.2004 19:10:44: IP: 192.168.10.203
16.01.2004 19:10:44: VPid: 163
16.01.2004 19:10:44: APid 1: 104
16.01.2004 19:10:44: APid 2: 0
16.01.2004 19:10:44: APid 3: 0
16.01.2004 19:10:44: Filename: c:\Dboxfilme\2004-01-16-Explosiv - Das Magazin\Explosiv - Das Magazin.mpg
16.01.2004 19:10:44: Splittsize: 39999
16.01.2004 19:10:44: KanalID: 77539
16.01.2004 19:10:44: EPG Infos geschrieben
@00:00:00: [MuxWriter] started
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@00:00:00: [VideoProcessor] started
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@00:00:00: [AudioPesParser0] started
@00:00:00: [VideoHTTP] started
@00:00:00: [VideoHTTP] HTTP streaming started successfully
@00:00:00: [AudioHTTP0] started
@00:00:00: [AudioHTTP0] HTTP streaming started successfully
@00:00:00: [VideoProcessor] locked on stream id 228
@00:00:02: [AudioProcessor0] locked on stream id 192
@00:00:02: [AudioProcessor0] invalid audio frame: not a layer I or layer II frame
@00:00:02: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:00:06: Video: 163
@00:00:06: Audio1: 104
@00:00:06: Audio2: 0
@00:00:06: Audio3: 0
@00:00:06: Beginne Aufnahme: "Explosiv - Das Magazin.mpg" nach: c:\Dboxfilme\2004-01-16-Explosiv - Das Magazin
@00:00:15: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:00:15: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:00:15: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:00:15: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:00:15: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:00:36: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:00:36: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:00:36: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:00:38: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:00:38: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-86400 pts cycles]
@00:00:38: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:00:59: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:00:59: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:00:59: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:00:59: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:00:59: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:01:20: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:01:20: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:01:20: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:01:20: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:01:20: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:01:41: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:01:41: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:01:41: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:01:44: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:01:44: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:02:05: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:02:05: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:02:05: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:02:05: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:02:05: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:02:26: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:02:26: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:02:26: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:02:28: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:02:28: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:02:47: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:02:47: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:02:49: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:02:49: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:02:49: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:03:10: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:03:10: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:03:10: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:03:10: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:03:10: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:03:31: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:03:31: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:03:31: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:03:33: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:03:33: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:03:52: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:03:54: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:03:54: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:03:54: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:03:54: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:04:16: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:04:16: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:04:16: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:04:16: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:04:16: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:04:37: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:04:37: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:04:37: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:04:39: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-45360 pts cycles]
@00:04:39: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:05:00: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:05:00: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:05:00: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:05:00: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:05:00: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:05:21: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:05:21: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:05:21: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:05:21: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:05:21: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:05:43: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:05:43: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:05:43: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:05:43: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:05:45: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-86400 pts cycles]
@00:05:45: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:06:06: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:06:06: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:06:06: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:06:06: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:06:06: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:06:27: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:06:27: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:06:27: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:06:27: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:06:27: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:06:48: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:06:48: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:06:48: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:06:50: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:06:50: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-86400 pts cycles]
@00:06:50: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:07:11: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:07:11: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:07:11: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:07:11: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:07:11: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:07:32: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:07:32: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:07:32: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:07:32: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:07:32: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:07:53: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:07:53: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:07:53: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:07:56: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:07:56: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-86400 pts cycles]
@00:07:56: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:08:17: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:08:17: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:08:17: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:08:17: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:08:17: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:08:38: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:08:38: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:08:38: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:08:38: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:08:38: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:08:59: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:08:59: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:08:59: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:09:01: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:09:01: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:09:22: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:09:22: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:09:22: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:09:22: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:09:22: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:09:43: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:09:43: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:09:43: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:09:46: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:09:46: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:10:04: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:10:04: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:10:06: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:10:06: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:10:06: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:10:28: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:10:28: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:10:28: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:10:28: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:10:28: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:10:49: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:10:49: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:10:49: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:10:51: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:10:51: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:11:10: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:11:12: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:11:12: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:11:12: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:11:12: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:11:33: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:11:33: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [2160 pts cycles]
@00:11:33: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
@00:11:33: [Muxer] warning: audio (1) pts discontinuity detected [-43200 pts cycles]
@00:11:33: [Muxer] Resync successful
@00:11:55: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:11:55: [Muxer] muxer panic: audio (0) video pts diffrence [-4320] to big. something must be wrong with the validation code. please inform Elmi on #dbox2. created stream will be invalid. [muxer terminated]
@00:11:55: [Muxer] terminated
@00:11:55: [AudioProcessor0] terminated
@00:11:55: [MuxWriter] terminated
@00:11:55: [VideoProcessor] terminated
@00:11:55: [VideoPesParser] terminated
@00:11:56: [VideoHTTP] terminated
@00:11:57: [AudioPesParser0] terminated
@00:11:59: [AudioHTTP0] terminated
@00:12:35: Empfange keine Daten mehr, Aufnahme abgebrochen
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Video Ausgabe:
VideoHTTP: terminated
Parser: terminated
Proc.: terminated
FileSize: 356525 KB
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Audio Ausgabe:
AudioHTTP0: terminated
Parser0: terminated
Proc.0: terminated
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Muxer Ausgabe:
Muxer: terminated
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Video High: 6144 kBits/sec
Video Low: 2401 kBits/sec
Audio High: 198 kBits/sec
Audio Low: 143 kBits/sec
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@00:12:38: Aufnahme beendet
16.01.2004 19:23:24: Muxer: terminated
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Jack wünscht viel Spass mit der Aufnahme...
besucht uns auch mal auf: http://record.mkplace.de
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muxer panic: audio (0) video pts diffrence [-4320] to big.

Da ist der Stream zu asynchron geworden. Die Menge an ReSyncs lässt auf ein Netzwerkproblem schließen.

Levi

Hallo Levi,
Ich benutze einen DSL-Allnet-Router. Vieleicht macht der mir die Schwierigkeiten. Ich werde aber morgen direkt mal mein Netzwerk duchmessen.
Danke erst mal

Mach das, wenns dann noch Probleme gibt, meld Dich einfach nochmal. Dann poste aber noch genauere Infos. Hier im Board sind echte Netzwerkcracks unterwegs

Hallo,
habe meinen Router getauscht und mein Netzwerk überprüft. alles OK
Ich kann Premieresender ohne störung aufnehmen, aber bei alle anderen Sendern bricht die Aufnahme ab. Kann das was mit den Pids zutun haben?

Dein o.g. Problem habe ich oft NUR bei SciFi, wenn ich Stargate aufnehme.
Bin auch schon auf der Suche nach einer Lösung. Netzwerkproblem schließe ich aus, da es ja sonst permanent vorkommen würde. Zumal es nicht ständig ist, sondern nur 10 min dauert. so etwa 19:50 bis 20.00 Uhr.
Vielleicht stellt Premiere was um, das Signal wird schwächer.... weiß nicht.
Ja, ich habe gesehen, du hattest nicht von Premiere aufgenommen... schließt aber nicht aus, daß vielleicht RTL da irgendwie rumfummelt... Oder von einem Sender gestört wird, der in der Nähe liegt. Schüssel ist korrekt ausgerichtet?
In der neuen Premierezeitung ist da eine Frage beantwortet wurden, die in diese Richtung zielt......

@Sassi:

Hast Du vielleicht noch NGrab oder ähnliches auf dem Rechner, so dass evtl. eine alte wingrabengine.dll zum Streamen verwendet wird ?
Bei der Aufnahme oben liegt das alte 21-Sender-Sekunden-Problem vor, mit dem die alte wingrabengine.dll nicht klar kommt. In der neueren Version der wingrabengine.dll ist dieser Fehler behoben.

Suche mal nach dieser Datei und tausche alle gegen die wingrabengine.dll aus, die im Verzeichnis von Jack liegt.

Alternativ verwende mal die udrec-Engine zum Streamen.

Hallo Torre,

sollte das bei mir das selbe Problem sein?

http://www.jackthegrabber.de/viewtopic.php?t=1779

@Dusty:
So weit ich sehe nicht. Das "alte" Wingrabproblem, Stichwort: 21-Sekunden erkennt man im Log an der folgenden Zeile:

@00:00:02: [AudioProcessor0] invalid audio frame: not a layer I or layer II frame

Hallo Torre,

stimmt, das steht da nicht mit drinnen. Wäre dann ja wohl auch ein Dauerprob und nicht nur ein 10menütiges...

Hallo torre, danke erst mal für die info.
Ich hatte ngrab noch auf meinem rechner, aber meine logfiles sehen immer noch so aus. Hier ein kurzer Auszug:
@00:00:02: [AudioProcessor0] invalid audio frame: not a layer I or layer II frame
@00:00:36: [AudioProcessor0] warning: pts discontinuity detected [-2160 pts cycles]
@00:00:36: [Muxer] invalid audio sequence: missing audio (1) frames in sequence [sequence skipped, need resync]
Ich bin mir nicht sicher, aber glaube das ist nur bei RTL-Sendern
Du sagst bei der neueren Version JTG ist das Problem weg.
Ich habe Version JTG 0.7.0
Wie komme ich daran?

@Sassi:
Suche mal im gesamten System nach der Datei "wingrabengine.dll" - ngrab deinstallieren hilft nicht. Da müsste bestimmt noch eine alte von ngrab irgendwo rumschwirren, die dann fälschlicherweise auch von Jack verwendet wird. Daher alle alten wingrabengine.dll durch die neue ersetzen und system neu booten.
Bei Jack 0.70 liegt die richtige im jtg-Verzeichnis. Eine neuere Version ist nicht erforderlich.

Wenn es das nicht ist, fällt mir allerdings auch nichts dazu ein.

Hallo torre,
hier noch die Info
Ich habe alle wingrabengine.dll entfernt die nicht zu JTG gehören.
Kann auch jetzt wunderbar straemen.
Nur beim abspielen über die Dbox <--> VLC gibt's noch probleme.
kurze Streams (unter 0,5GB) kann ich abspielen und bei allen größeren Aufnahmen hängt sich die Dbox auf
Mein VLC Player schließt dann autom.
Steht vielleicht in meiner Box was falsch oder hast du eine Idee?

Beim Movieplayer können die Ursachen vielfältig sein, da kannst Du noch mal etwas im Forum suchen:

- Netzwerkprobleme (hub oder switch dazwischen ?)
- Rechner zu "schwach" - aber eher das Problem bei avi-Wiedergabe
- VLC-Version (mit 0.7 gibt es bei manchen Usern Probleme, vielleicht mal 0.62 oder 0.63 probieren)
- bei den Einstellungen des Movieplayers trancode aus ?
- Welches Image auf der Box ? Empfehlung: jtg-team-image
- Die wingrab-Aufnahmen laufen bei mir auf nicht gut mit dem Movieplayer. Am besten läuft bei mir immer noch udrec-pes aufnehmen und mit Wingrab muxen. Dafür ist allerdings ein aktuelles Image erforderlich.
- ac3-Audio läuft bei vielen gar nicht (bei mir auch nicht). Daher nur mp2-Ton verwenden für den Movieplayer.

sassi hat geschrieben:Hallo,
habe meinen Router getauscht und mein Netzwerk überprüft. alles OK
Ich kann Premieresender ohne störung aufnehmen, aber bei alle anderen Sendern bricht die Aufnahme ab. Kann das was mit den Pids zutun haben?

also bei mir is so das ich auch nur von premiere aufnehm kann.
die quali der anderen sender (zdf, ard usw über kabel) ist so schlecht das ich schon beim anschaun ständige aussetzer in bild und ton hab...